Cannon Gun Safe model P-22

The below article was written a while back.  Things have changed with Cannon Gun Safes over the last 7 months.  They have changed so much that we have decided to drop the line and no longer sell Cannon Gun Safes of any kind.  I want to believe in the best for Cannon and hope that they are experiencing growth related pains.

However,  based on the pricing, quality, and service from Cannon Gun Safes.  We are no longer finding them to be the best value that they once were.  For what I can sell you anything in their Patriat, Cannon, or Safari line up.  I can sell you a better safe with thicker steel, better lock, and thicker bolts from Diamond Back Gun Safes.   But at almost half the price!

The Diamond Back H Series would compare closest to the Dangerous Game series or the T series from Cannon.  But at a price reflective of the Patriot.  So lets be honest here.  All of the above mentioned safes are made in the SAME factory in China.   So workmanship is going to be very similar.   I can’t in good conciousness represent a manufacturer that has lost control of their expenses, vendor relations (you can no longer get any Cannon with a Sargent & Greenleaf lock), and some of the poorest customer service in the industry.  If you don’t believe me call them and pretend to be a customer with a problem with your safe….see if they call you back. Better yet, see if they answer the phone! 1-800-242-1055 is thier number.

The Cannon Gun Safe model P-22 is second in the Patriot Safe series.   This is a very popular size gun safe for Cannon Safes company.  The box itself is made in China but Cannon Gun Safes puts on the finishing touches.  Because a portion of this is made in China doesn’t mean its a like a Sentry Gun Safe. (Which is the bottom rung on the ladder of safes) This gun safe is one of the median models that are imported.  Cannon Gun Safe also puts their lifetime warrenty against fire and theft on this gun safe.  Which other Gun Safe manufacturers are starting to offer.

Its important to view my other posts on Cannon Gun Safes.  The Patriot series inparticular.  I often ramble about many aspects of safes in a series and their qualities all flow within the series and I try not to bore my readers with repition.

Anyway, the P-22 is a Patriot Gun Safe but several manufactures also produce a “Patriot” named safe. Make sure you are comparing Cannon’s when you are researching gun safes and not the other names.

There are other gun safes that are similar to Cannon Gun safes but there are a few features that the others don’t have.  I have them listed below.  The big feature is in theft protection with the multiple relockers in the safe. Everything else is very similar to other imports but the relocker and warrenty make this a good purchase for my dollars.

  • Fully adjustable design
  • Upholstered finished shelving
  • Upholstered inside walls
  • Fire-resistant—lined with 5/8” fire insulation
  • Massive 1″ steel composite
  • SureFire multiple re-lockers
  • Mechanical Group 2 lock with
    key-locking dial
  • Triple fin intumescent cold smoke expandable seal that expands many times its size when exposed to heat
  • 1″ active locking bolts
  • Extra-hard, 60+ RC hard-plate
  • Truelock internal hinges

Floor Safe model FS-2300B

Floor Safe model FS-2300B is made the medium size polyethylene safe in this series.  Hayman Safe is the one that holds the patent and makes this floor safe.  I get a lot of comments in regards to “Plastic SAFES?!?!”   Yes its plastic but no its not plastic like you think.  The only portion that is plastic is the safes body.  Which will be surrounded by concrete.  There are also metal straps securing the floor safe door to the safe body.  So for practical purposes all you will see is a steel safe door and concrete.  “But why plastic?”  So it won’t rust. 

You will read in many of my other posts about how to protect your steel floor safe from rusting.  Here is the answer.  After Hurricane Charley in Florida a customer called me out to her house.  Her Hayman Floor safe had been submerged by salt water.  The water had drain away and she needed it fixed.  Only the dial needed replacement as it was starting to stick. So I replaced the dial. Used some lubricant in the bolts just to be on the safe side and a coat of rustolium on the door..more as preventative measure.  The body was fine.  She is still using it today without any problems.

In my opinion, if you are installing a floor safe, always buy a B-rated floor safe.  And if budget allows get one with the plastic body.  Its not a lot more and it adds years to the life of the safe.

This model also has the newly redesigned door that uses steel wall instead of a steel bolts to lock the door in place.  Spring loaded hinges make for easy opening and closing of the door.  Get it with the dial.  NEVER add a keypad to floor safes. You will be only courting disaster as the electronics can get wet…and they do. 

One last  item.  Please note the outside of the safe looks strange.  Its not smooth and straight like a steel floor safe.  This has two purposes.  It allows concrete to grip the safe better than a smooth surface and forms shelves on the inside of the floor safe to put things on and help you stay organized.

Overall its one of the top of the line floor safes on the market today.  Once the is inground and covered with its steel plate. Its hard to find and even harder to remove from the foundation.  Its also a very good size.?

Cannon Gun Safe model P-14

Cannon Gun safe model P-14 is part of the Patriot gun safe import line.  Before I go too far, there are several manufactures that have a safe called Patriot.  Make sure when you are discussing the Cannon Patriot don’t get it confused with any of the other Patriot named safes out there.  They are different.  These are made with loving care by our dear friends in China.  However, ONLY Cannon Gun Safes come with a lifetime warrenty against fire AND BURGLARY!!!!!!!  Nobody else offers such an extensive warrenty in the industry…NOBODY!

China may start the manufacturing process but most gun safe manufactures like to finish out thier gun safes here in the USA.  Cannon installs a higher grade interior than other companies with fully lined adjustable interior for those of you that want to purchase a gun safe for other than keeping guns.

Did you know that this series comes with multiple relockers?  These are added to help support the bolt work system in the event an attack.  (Most gun safes only come with one that is inside the dial or keypad lock) So this is an added benifit

Also comes with hardplate….hmmm, I can hear some of you asking “What the heck is hardplate?”  Well, hardplate is a super heated super refined steel plate that is resistant to drilling.  It needs to be melted.  Which means the thief will need to bring his blow torch with him if he’s going through the lock and door.  I personally don’t know of many thiefs that have entered into a house with a blow torch..so I think hardplate is there to make it difficult on the locksmith to gain entry to the safe but I could be wrong.

When I show up onto a gun safe that has had a burglar attempt to break into it.  Crowbars and hammers are what is normally used.  Though I was in a McDonald’s once where the theif used a metal mop bucket to beat off the dial.  No, the thief never made it into the safe.  But that is beside the point.  One inch locking bolts going on all sides of the door keep it from being crowbared open within the normal time range of a burglary.

This Cannon gun safe is not extra fancy but it is nicely built and with a warrenty you can’t beat.

  • Fully adjustable design
  • Upholstered finished shelving
  • Upholstered inside walls
  • Fire-resistant—lined with 5/8” fire insulation
  • Massive 1″ steel composite
  • SureFire multiple re-lockers
  • Mechanical Group 2 lock with
    key-locking dial
  • Triple fin intumescent cold smoke expandable seal that expands many times its size when exposed to heat
  • 1″ active locking bolts
  • Extra-hard, 60+ RC hard-plate
  • Truelock internal hinges

Hayman Floor Safe model FS-1200B

 Hayman floor safe model FS-1200-B is the smallest of the polyethelene floor safes.  Has the NEW Single wall bolt system.  Which is a great design and much more secure than the typical B-rated floor safe.  Instead of using seperate bolts to lock the door it has a HUGE wall size bolt that closes behind the side wall of the floor safe.  I can invision all safes going to this type of bolt work in the future.  It great design idea that really strengthens the door.

The bigest down fall to steel floor safes in the past has been rust!  If you have read my other posts concerning floor safes I have given several ideas on how to slow down the rusting process.  But Hayman Safes has made this easy on us.  With the patented new style of in floor safe. Polyethelene body will not rust in the ground once it is cemented in place.  This will add decades of life to your floor safe.

The minor negative on this floor safe is that it does not have “Spring loaded hinges” ,  Instead it is a lift out door.  The weight of which is around 20 lbs.  If you are elederly or have little arm strength, you will not want to get this model for that reason.  Why they didn’t put spring loaded hinges in this model? Because its small. 

Don’t worry about the size of this floor safe.  It still has huge strength and a B rating.

  • Group II combination lock
  • Drill resistant hard plate
  • Spring loaded active relocker bolt
  • 1/2″ solid steel door
  • Rust proof polyeurathane bodies
  • NEWLY RE-DESIGNED Bolt System! Fantastic Single Wall Bolt
  • 9 3/4″ x 11″ Door opening
  • 7 3/4″ x 11″ Door clearance

Wall Safe model 2070A by Honeywell Safes

Here is a favorite wall safe among customers. The model 2070A by Honeywell Safes.  Good size and easy to install.  The depth is 4.12 inches which fits snugly into standard 2×4 wall set up.  Don’t let the .12 scare you, it fits nicely.  We sell this safe across the country and I have never had a complaint from anyone.  It is a popular wall safe with many folks.  About the only complaint I’ve ever heard of on it was when we sell out!  This has happened a couple of times but Honeywell Safes has increased production to meet demand. 

This wall safe comes with an electronic lock and a key override in case the batteries go dead.  On the negative side, its not what I would call a high security wall safe.  Though it does have the best security measure that wall safes offer…which is hidden security.  Needless to say if the wall safe is found it could be crowbared open within a few minutes.  But realistically most thieves don’t carry crow bars. Most enter our homes empty handed, spend 3-8 minutes in the home, and leave with hands full.  The time it would take to look for a wall safe or pry their way into it takes way longer then the average thief is willing to spend at the CHANCE a wall safe might be in a house. 

Over all it good quality, easy to install and reliable.  It gets my thumbs up as one of the great wall safes.

Honeywell 2070A
Outside Dimensions
Height: 22″
Width: 15.13″
Depth: 4.12″
Inside Dimensions
Height: 20.62″
Width: 13.75″
Depth: 2.81″
Weight
38 lbs

  • .43 cubic feet interior storage
  • Interior Light
  • Digital electronic lock
  • Emergency over-ride key
  • Protective Floor Mat
  • Concealed Hinges
  • Made of heavy gauge steel
  • Mounting hardware included

Floor Safes model B2500

Floor Safes model B2500 is both a B-Rated floor safe and bigger unit.  Though not as big as the FS-B4 it is just as strong with a triple bolt to seal the door and a drill resistant hardplate over the door.  This floor safe is worth the money and time it will take to install it.  The body is made of 1/4 inch steel and once concreted in place you will have a super good floor safe.

I have pointed out on my other posts but figure I should point  it on this one as well.  To add a longer life to the steel body of the safe.  Be sure to wrap it in a plastic bag or a thick painters drop cloth from the hardware store.  A locksmith friend of mine wraps his in a Hefty Lawn and Leaf bag before he sets it in the ground and adds concrete.  This will protect the steel in safe from moisture and rusting.  Literally adding years of life to your floor safes usability.

I almost forgot to mention the spring loaded hinge in the door for easy opening and closing.  Why the spring loaded hinge? Because of all the steel and hardplate in the door makes the the door very  heavy.  Smaller models don’t have spring loaded hinges and the safe head must be lifted out of the way.  It may not sound like a big deal but wait until you are on your knees in the back of a dark closet.  If its convient you will use the safe. If its a pain in the arse….you won’t use it as much.  These are some real observations on my part.

Floor Safes, the Hidden High Security Safe of Choice for Drug Dealers.

Isn’t that a cool headline? I thought it was a real attention grabber and I will explain here in a moment. But before I do that I want to talk about what to look for  when searching safes and trying to decide about which safe will get you the best protection for the best price.  I have found from Wall Safes, Fireproof Home Safes, Fire Safes & Burglary Safes, Biometric Safes, Fingerprint Safes, Security Safes, and Depository Safes like Drop safes.  I personally think that Floor Safes are one of the best Safes for home or business and I’ll tell you why.

First you can purchase B-Rated floor safes for very affordable prices.  As a matter of fact B-rated floor safes are the most affordable type of B-rated safe in the industry.  If you are new to looking at safes you are probably asking yourself “Why a B-Rated safe? What makes a safe B-Rated anyway?”

Underwriters Labratory (UL) assigns a B-rating to burglary safes.  They need to meet a certain set of standards such as a minimum of 1/4 inch steel on the body.  Half inch steel in the door with drill resistant hardplate.  Group II lock or Group I electronic keypad.  Must also be able to hold up to a minimum amount of crowbar and sledge hammer attacks.  But becarefull, just because it has a UL listed on the label doesn’t mean it passed their B-Rating test. It could stand for something else about the safe such as the lock.

Once installed in concrete you get several benfits. Like fireproofing from the concrete wrapped around the safe.  It is hidden and covered metal plate so you can roll carpet or a rug over it.  Staying hidden is a key security component because “out of sight is truely out of mind”.   This way a thief can’t even start to break into it. 

Second is, if they do find it. Breaking into one is next to impossible.  I have several manufactures that tout their floor safe doors have NEVER been breached in a theft attempt.  Thats impressive to me and it should be reassuring to you.

The reason floor safes are the choice safe for drug dealers is so they can hide cash and their drug of choice in a floor safe.  Drug sniffing dogs have a very difficult time sniffing through all the steel, concrete, and carpeting.  The police just can’t locate the safe.  Now if a drug dog and police can’t find the safe, and they are looking for it. Just think what a thief will find and he is only going to search by himself in a 3-8 minute period!

Before you get too excited, yes, there is a negative side to floor safes. That is if you want to install one in a slab that has already been poured, its a lot of work and very messy.  I actually installed one in drug dealers house before he went to prison.  He took my receipt and his reciept and burned it on the driveway.  Vowing me to silence.  I have deleted that job from my computers and mind and to this day I don’t even remember the location or the guy.  (Don’t want too either)

Best Big Floor Safe on the Market, FS-4000B

The FS-4000B is the top floor safe in the market of the floor safes world.  Polyethelinc body to prevent rust and moisture seepage from the ground.  I have seen many steel floor safes in Florida that were starting to take on rust and moisture after only a few years.  I have a secret about installing the steel bodied safes but you will have to read about in the other floor safes articles. 

 Drill resistant hardplate steel door slows even the best “safe crackers” down to a snails pace.  Concrete this floor safe into place and you can take a nice long vacation to Key West Florida and don’t worry about a ting.  Just sit back beneath your favorite palm tree with no worries.

The other day I had a phone call the other day from a guy in west Texas.  He wanted a safe that nobody could put a lasso around and tie to the bumper of their truck and pull it out of the house.  Whoa Nelly! Gotta love those folks in West Texas.  He choose a floor safe to concrete into his foundation and cover up with carpet.  To date he (or anyone else for that matter) has had his floor safe discovered.

A great hiding place makes this a top rated security safe of choice.  I even had a home owner call me one time when she was changing the carpet out in the master bedroom.  She said she had lived there for 2 years and never new there was a floor safe under the carpet.  We came over and got her going with a new combination and replaced the lid just before the carpet layers rolled out fresh carpet to hide the floor safe. 

But back to the FS-4000B.  Good and roomy with lots of interior shelving to keep the contents sorted and uncluttered.  Spring loaded safe door for easy in and out.  Sargent & Greenleaf dial lock that is one of the top locks made in Kentucky and shipped around the world.  (One of America’s many export products)

Needless to say I give this safe a major thumbs up.  Great quality and a great design.

  • Group II combination lock
  • Drill resistant hard plate
  • Spring loaded active relocker bolt
  • 1/2″ solid steel door
  • Rust proof polyeurathane bodies
  • NEWLY RE-DESIGNED Bolt System! Fantastic Single Wall Bolt
  • 9 3/4″ x 11″ Door opening
  • 7 3/4″ x 11″ Door clearance
  • Spring loaded hinges

Wall Safe WS-DIY & WS-DIYe

ws-diy-x.jpgWall Safe model WS-DIY is from Fire Fyter Safes. WS-DIYe is the same safe but with an electronic keypad. This is one of the few 1 hour fireproof wall safes on the market.  This first thing you will notice about it is that it has a much deeper depth.  Better find a really good place for it with a lot of available depth. I does come with a good set of instructions on how to install it.

This wall safe comes with mounting brackets and an adjustable shelf.  Mounts flush and is easy to hide with a picture or wall hanging of your choice.

I often get questions regarding if a dial or keypad is better.  Well, there are two points of view.  I have copied a paper from Valuesafes that covers this very well.

Electronic Keypad VS Dial Combinations

Why an electronic keypad?
Convience is the main reason for selecting a LaGard electronic keypad. If you are opening the safe several times a day, this is well worth the money. I have found that if someone doesn’t like the process of dialing the combination then they will quit putting things inside the safe. Thus defeating the purpose of having a safe.Many people ask “Which is a better lock, a dial or an electronic keypad?” Good Question. I have found through experience in safe cracking that both are VERY difficult. Electronic keypads have a 4 consecutive invalid code “lockdown”. This makes the keypad inoperable for 5 minutes. After the end of 5 minutes you get two more tries or it goes back into lockdown for another 5 minutes. Thus virtually eliminating random entry of the code.

“What if the battery goes dead?” There is a battery door compartment on the outside of the keypad. Just open the door and change the 9volt battery. The computer chip maintains the combo at all times and will not default because of no battery.

Here is something else that many don’t consider, changing the code on the keypad. It’s easy and can be done when ever the current code has been compromised. Your safe will come with instructions on how to do this but I have included some general notes below.

Wall Safe Fire Fyter FF-33

Wall Safe model FF-33 is one of the least expensive wall safes on the market today. Made in the USA.  (really!)

 Quick  and easy to install. Comes with instructions.  Fast opening key lock. Cam style.  Below are the specs from the manufacturer website.  But lets point out that its NOT a high security wall safe.  It does take advantage of what every security measure that a wall safe offers.  Its hidden, nobody can find it.  And that is the best security for any safe in your home or office.

There is a down side.  If a thief was to find it AND the had a crow bar, it wouldn’t take them long to break into the wall safe.  However, that someone finds a wall safe is not very common. Put someplace where you can hide it and cover it up.  This is the best protection.  Overall qualilty is very good for a wall safe of this price range. 

The wall safe itself is not fireproof. If you need a fireproof wall safe see the WS-DIY.

  • Double Thick 1/8″ Steel Door
  • Heavy Duty Pick and Punch Resistant Key Lock
  • Mounts between Standard Wall or Floor Studs on 16″ Centers
  • Anti-Pry Steel Door
  • easily Hidden Behind Picture or Mirror